0:00>> Kurt [Pritz]: Good morning everyone, thank you so much for being here today. We've got a
0:09great breakfast planned. I'm going to take you through the agenda very briefly, and then
0:15Adrian [Kinderis] is going to tell us about our current and future plans, so that's all good. First
0:20there's me. Like I said, Adrian will follow up, he will introduce Fadi Chehade, ICANN
0:29President and CEO, who we're very honored to have here today. Then we're going to get
0:33down to the work that we're doing, and have our members describe that work. Brent London
0:40from Google will describe the work we're doing on universal acceptance, including the creation
0:45and construction of an information repository and also a new set of committees that are
0:51attacking this. Chris Wright will describe our work in the
0:54registry/registrar operations group. That's an industry wide group not limited to just
0:59DNA members but all registries and registrars that are teaming together to find more economical
1:05ways to work together. Andy Brier from NameStats has provided a number of new ways of looking
1:15at industry statistics for us. He could not make it to the meeting so I will present some
1:20of that on his behalf. I will also describe the end results of the survey and where you
1:25can go to for more information, and describe the information that you receive from us on
1:29it. Then Jeff Sass is kind enough to provide a member showcase in some of the work he's
1:35doing. There's a lot to get through in a short period of time. It's going to be a great session.
1:40I'm going to turn it over to Adrian directly. >> Adrian: Thanks Kurt, good morning everybody.
1:48Am I on? Good. Holy [Crimony 00:01:48]. That will wake you up. Good morning everybody,
1:50thanks for getting up early and coming down. We've got a great turnout, which is fantastic.
1:54Thanks to Kurt and the logistics team for putting this on. I'd also like to take the
2:00opportunity [00:02:00] and certainly not to pump up Fadi’s ties because he's in the
2:03room, but I can't have ... I think you noticed, this meeting, we're now on the agenda, which
2:09is fantastic. ICANN has certainly been supporting us in creation of meeting spaces for the board,
2:17and indeed this room has been accommodated within the ICANN schedule. Finally I'd like
2:23to thank you and the staff there for supporting us.
2:26I don't want to speak to long this morning because we do have Fadi here. We've asked
2:32Fadi to present on where he sees the industry and what his vision of this industry association
2:41is. Also, we're certainly going to allow for, should time permit, some questions afterward.
2:47Please have those questions ready. I'm happy to escort out anyone that ask him about who
2:53is [inaudible 00:02:54] might well be on the agenda. I'm just trying to let you off the
2:58hook for your normal stuff. Without further ado I'd like to introduce the ICANN president
3:04and CEO, Fadi Chehade. Thank you very much. >> Fadi Chehade: Thank you. Good morning all
3:11of you. It is wonderful to see this room filled like this. I think Adrian, Kurt, and others
3:19who know this idea of the DNA Association started in some small meetings we were having
3:26at the ICANN office where I was a huge early supporter, and continued to be. We need DNA,
3:34it's that simple. It's not something that is nice to have anymore. It's a critical part
3:45of any industry that matures, to have an association of people who are in the industry, who are
3:52business people. I, yesterday, spent how many hours [inaudible 00:03:57] maybe three hours
4:00[00:04:00] last night. Three very long hours with some of you, where, because there's a
4:06brewing issue for example coming up that will affect your industry. We wanted to nip it
4:13in the bud before it came an issue and the [inaudible 00:04:15] started coming and the
4:18policies start. We said, "Let's all get together for a long
4:22dinner." There was enough booze for everybody to calm down and listen to each other. GAC
4:28members were there, governments were there, business people were there, and certainly
4:34people from [ALAC 00:04:35] and Civil Society, they were all there. We said, "Okay, let's
4:38solve this problem before it becomes a problem." I'm committed to your industry without a question.
4:46I need to understand it more and spend more time in it, no question. I did realize at
4:52some point that ICANN itself is an organization needs a dedicated president that is focused
5:00on serving the industry. I asked Akram to abandon his COO role and be the president.
5:06We created this division to serve you. In many ways we need to pair GDD and DNA and
5:14make sure that that is very tight, that there is no misunderstanding ever between those
5:21who are trying to make your businesses successful. Of course some people call GDD the regulator,
5:29and in many ways they could be acting this way. I think, frankly, if you know Akram well
5:34and his team, we're trying to be less that. We really need to be less that and more your
5:39 partners. If we can solve issues as they happen, before they become critical, before the heat
5:46comes up in the political space of ICANN, then I think we all benefit from that. More
5:52of that will be good. DNA could play the key role of actually engaging with us as an industry.
5:59[00:06:00] I'm delighted you're here. I just looked very
6:02quickly at this, I think the overview of your issue number two. All the things that are
6:11covered there, especially the stats and all of this. This is needed. We need to see more
6:15of that. I think if the industry also gets to the point to do the things we discussed
6:20now two years ago of self-regulation, of doing things to show the world that this is a good
6:27industry. Yes there are elements of every industry that are distasteful and they're
6:33not here. These are minor elements. Yesterday you saw me highlight in the opening ceremony
6:39that the audits of registries and registrars are coming up extremely good. When I was at
6:45Ingram Micro we had 25,000 resellers. We could never get a 98% audit complete on 25,000 resellers.
6:55Here we did registries and registrars and over 98% are either clear or had minor things
7:01that they cleared by now. This is the kind of data we need to tell those
7:06who think we are a runaway industry that does not have frankly a sense of responsibility
7:13for the work we do. It's simply not true. There is misperception, and I hope DNA and
7:19ICANN work together to actually change that perception. One last word, because I really
7:24would like to turn this into a dialogue on the transition. The political internet governance
7:35transition cloud has taken a lot of the oxygen away from many other things we really need
7:42to attend to. It's true. Last year, not only did I get sucked into that very, very complicated
7:53space, but it meant also that we all put less [00:08:00] time to solve the issues of the
8:01industry and attend to the industry. My board, and those of you who are able to
8:07communicate directly with me has made that very clear. They said, "Fadi, we need the
8:13pendulum to swing back to focus on our issues on ICANN." It hasn't really since Istanbul.
8:20The idea since Istanbul, I've switched myself and a lot of my focus completely on issues
8:27to serve you better. We found a lot of internal issues because ICANN had grown when Kurt and
8:33I started, when I started and Kurt was really my mentor when I started at ICANN. He's the
8:38one who got me going. I think we were 120 people, 125 people or so. Today we're 350
8:46people. In two years we've grown significantly. Brent sees that in the parking lot every day
8:51when he comes in. It's probably harder to park these days. That means also growing pains.
8:59This is a big team that needs a lot of focus and attention and direction.
9:06It's not just me, but all of us on the staff need to do this. I did some rearranging of
9:12things in December that are already bearing fruit, giving Akram also more space and more
9:18time to focus on what you need to do. Congratulations, really, to all of you, especially Adrian and
9:26Kurt for this effort, for the DNA effort. I am very committed to help you in any way
9:31we can, including, I was in the elevator with one of your members, where is he? There you
9:39go, there, back there. He was telling me how the space is working, but if we can do some
9:45things to enhance the working space for DNA at our meetings we will do that. We were just
9:50in the elevator coming up with ideas. Maybe we can give you a permanent space with permanent
9:56staff support so that when you come in you can meet people, you can ask to meet people,
10:01[00:10:00] and there could be some mechanisms to make this easier for you at these meetings.
10:05I can't do this as ICANN, it just will not be ... Then all groups will ask for that,
10:12law enforcement is now telling us, "We'd like to ..." The way I can do it is through DNA,
10:19if we can partner with DNA we have a layer to say this is an association of the industry
10:25and we're helping them. That's just an elevator idea. If we have other ideas I'd like to hear
10:30them. Kurt certainly can reach me and we will help you and support you in every way we can.
10:37Let's do Q&A so it's your time and I can listen to you and know what issues are on your mind
10:43besides the transition. Is anyone in here worried or thinking about the transition,
10:49or is this ... I don't know, is this a major issue for the members? Do you care about this?
10:58Do you worry about this? You seem to be nodding. >> Stacey King: [inaudible 00:11:03] I think
11:05for everybody in this industry they're worried about the transition, it doesn't mean worry
11:09correlates to we think it's going to fail, but I think everybody is keenly aware of the
11:16fact that this is happening, wants to see where it's going, and wants to make sure it's
11:20done properly and not in a rush. >> Fadi Chehade: What's the most important
11:23thing you think for industry to get out of the transition? Let's agree on basics, the
11:30transition will happen. What are we worried about? What is the biggest worry we have?
11:38>> Adrian: I'll stop because I've got the microphone. I think predictability. I think
11:44I want to know, for me, I've built a business, invested money into building a business. I
11:50need to know that that business is going to be operational into the future. Whatever mechanisms
11:55and structures around that, that the [inaudible 00:11:59] transition may change [00:12:00]
12:00I'd like to get the biggest understanding as far out as I can. Obviously status quo
12:05is good because that's how I built my business. Often times when the goal posts get moved,
12:12I think us in the industry, we're the ones that feel it the most. You can look at a whole
12:17range of different issues, especially at this meeting, where the goal posts seem to be moving.
12:22It's hard for us to build our businesses around that. Predictability would be ...
12:26>> Fadi Chehade: This is a good point, because I do believe that predictability is the biggest
12:32issue we have from this side of ICANN. On other words, when we look at you and yesterday
12:37we had the whole three hours were about, "Stop it guys, we need a predictable environment,
12:46we can't start something and then oops somebody in the GAC has an idea and suddenly we have
12:51to change our business plan. It just can't work like this." I think those who were there
12:57from your industry were very good at explaining two things, first that this is critical for
13:03business. You can't keep asking us, as [Ira Magaziner 00:13:05] said yesterday, to work
13:08in an environment that is constantly shifting and people moving the rules on us. We stop
13:15them, frankly, we actually did stop them because they realized they cannot after things move
13:21keep ... This is constant, it means we have to be very alert to them. Let me tie it back
13:27into the transition, how does the transition affect predictability? I am not seeing it.
13:34How does the transition add or take away from the predictable environment?
13:40>> Jeff Eckhaus: Thanks. It's Jeff [inaudible 00:13:44] here. Hi, Fadi, thanks. I think
13:47for us, one of the things that gets lost in this is we're an actual customer of the IANA
13:53system and the process. I think people forget there's going to be service levels involved,
13:59there's [00:14:00] going to be issues. For me, a lot of that predictability is if I send
14:03in to make changes that they happen in a good amount of time. As Adrian said, the processes
14:10worked great until now. Any requests we've made have been worked well, and that's predictability
14:16to us. >> Fadi Chehade: Okay. I got it. Is there
14:18any other predictability? I want to address that. Other predictability?
14:22>> Audience: Thanks. >> Adrian: I'll get you next [crosstalk 00:14:25]
14:24>> Fadi Chehade: Factors in the transition that will affect predictability.
14:27>> Chris Disspain: Morning everyone, Chris [inaudible 00:14:29] and just to be clear,
14:30and I don't need to say this, but speaking as the manager of dot [AU 00:14:34]. Yes,
14:37Fadi, it depends on what model ends up being chosen. Some of the models ... First of all
14:42it's fascinating that no one, as far as I can tell, is so far in the SWG has started
14:45talking about the stuff that I think that really matters like service levels and so
14:49on like that. To be fair, maybe we, the industry itself might need to lead to that. Perhaps
14:56we should get in there, get our hands dirty, and start talking about that sort of stuff.
15:01Secondly, it depends on the model. I'm not going to talk for or against any model, I'm
15:05just going to make the point that those of us who deal with IANA every day have built
15:11up over time a set of structures and relationships that might not be perfect by any stretch of
15:16the imagination but seem to work, and are predictable to a degree. Anything new can
15:24affect that predictability. The goal should be to create what we need to create to make
15:30it work with as little fuss as possible and as little change as possible. In my head,
15:35and it's just in my head, the way I see that operating is if you want to make broad brush
15:40changes to the way that ICANN is accountable I have no issue because that's fine and that's
15:46what the community's job is. The actual discreet IANA function should really be left alone
15:54and the predictability there is what's critical. >> Fadi Chehade: Okay. Anything else on predictability?
16:00[00:16:00] >> Adrian: I've got Jordan and Jeff.
16:03>> Fadi Chehade: At least in regards to the transition.
16:05>> Adrian: Jordan. >> Jordan Buchanan: Yeah, absolutely. Jordan
16:07Buchanan with Google. I think, maybe just to build on what Chris said, I think some
16:12of us at least would have concerns that there are models being proposed, or there's a lot
16:16of people with their fingers, I guess, in the transition process. We talk about things
16:23like service levels not being discussed so far. It's not surprising, there's an IP attorney
16:29leading the CCWG. They're talking about stuff that IP attorneys care about and not necessarily
16:35about technical excellence from the IANA. I think we, the customers of the IANA are
16:42concerned that the existing predictable processes will get mucked about by the transition process
16:48getting overloaded by it. To build on Chris' point, I think a lot of what I'm seeing from
16:54the transition process is concern about what happens if ICANN runs amuck? We don't have
16:59the right accountability measures in place. It's because the sequence is wrong. If we
17:03had the accountability first, we wouldn't have to worry about all of these, "What if
17:06..." This parade of horribles. I think the model's just getting a little bit too complicated
17:11probably. >> Fadi Chehade: Okay, let me just answer
17:13this far what I've heard. It's extremely tied together. The IANA part needs to be as much
17:22as possible left alone so that we can continue with where we're going. Remember how the system
17:29works today. It's not a triangle, exactly, it's two lines like this. We work with you,
17:38we tell NTIA that the change is ready to be done in IANA, NTIA tells Verisign to do it.
17:44There's no relationship between me and Verisign. It's like this, it goes up to NTIA. NTIA will
17:52go away. They will go away with me and with Verisign. They will end their role in the
18:00[00:18:00] [Rude Zone 00:18:01] management function. The easy answer is of course draw
18:05a line. The system, in fact, that we used to make
18:10the changes is itself a system that we could, for example, ICANN could have both the buttons
18:18that are on these sides today so that we could make the request. In order to make it easy
18:23so there's no software change, we would also say go. Of course we could put an auditor,
18:28somebody who would watch us so we don't push that go button that today Vernita Harris with
18:34NTIA does, and it's highly automated anyway. Then nothing changes. That means that ICANN
18:41and Verisign have to be connected. You appreciate that, right? That I don't have that relationship
18:49today. I cannot go to Verisign and say, "Add or do something in the route." The good news
18:59on that is I think that is now going to start happening in order to ... It took a long time
19:07because no one wanted to move until we got a sense of where we're heading.
19:12Because the CWG is so busy not doing its job, which is to tell us how operationally IANA
19:22should work, it is busy telling us how it's going to, I don't know, turn ICANN into a
19:28membership organization. I think we have an issue. We started telling NTIA, "We need to
19:35talk to verisign for the stability of the system." Come September 30th, if everything
19:41is resolved, we need to make sure that operationally we have a piece here working. That's already
19:48about to start actually at this meeting in a formal way. I'm very pleased that, first
19:55of all, that Verisign is open to continue [inaudible 00:19:59] with us. [00:20:00] Which
20:00means they will work with ICANN at the pleasure of ICANN, meaning it will be a contract with
20:05ICANN to actually do that work. That will keep things stable.
20:11No system change, no software change, same exact people, same exact process. It's just
20:17that the button in the middle will be pushed by someone else. It could be someone at ICANN,
20:22it could be someone, a committee from the community, it doesn't matter. The system will
20:27remain completely the same. I'm hoping predictability and stability there will stay. The problem
20:34is, what I just told you is not a community decision. Therefore it is very important to
20:39do what Jordan said, get into that CWG. This is your business, guys. They're deciding on
20:46your business of how this function will work. Frankly, there is no one today in the CWG
20:50that. Frankly there is no one today in the CWG who even understands how the functions
20:54work. I send my CEO David Conrad to explain to them
20:57how the system works and how they might fix the SLA's. Frankly, no one there even knew
21:03that he was talking about. That's your business. That's immediately, something you guys can
21:09immediately get involved in and step into the CWG, say, "Guys, you want to talk accountability,
21:14there is an accountability track, go there. Let us decide how our operation will work."
21:19It is your operational things. The IETF did that very well. They're done, the numbering
21:25guys did it, done. They focused on the operations. In fairness to the CWG, as Jordan said, the
21:33accountability track was late, and therefore they felt they need to have their issues addressed
21:38somewhere. Their issues got thrown, frankly, into the wrong swim lane. That swim lane,
21:43which is yours, which will give you that predictability, it currently is screaming for you guys to
21:48step in. Frankly maybe that's something DNA could do,
21:52maybe DNA can give them a proposal, say, "While you're very busy with 16 tracks to come up
21:58with this, here's a proposal on how to strengthen [00:22:00] the SLA's and how it should work
22:03as a starting point." There should be no other predictability matter for you other than making
22:10sure that the board of ICANN is accountable to you. This is a discussion Chris knows we've
22:16already had at the board. I think all the board members are clear that one of the things
22:22we need to do and do it quickly is accept that the community may need, under some very
22:30extreme conditions, to spill the board of ICANN. We have to accept that.
22:37If the community feels that there is no, what Chris sometimes calls nuclear option, that
22:43if the board is not responsive, it had gone rogue or whatever people come up with and
22:49speculate, there has to be a mechanism for you to throw the bums out. That mechanism
22:56has to happen, it has to be put in place. This is normal for at least, in some parts
23:02of the world, this is a very normal recall mechanism that happens. Again, it cannot be
23:08if you do not like the color of my shirt ... It has to be with some strict rules again for
23:15predictability, for stability. There has to be some extreme measures and the board accepted
23:20that in concept. That's fantastic. That's actually a new step for us to move forward
23:25and give the community some power over the decision making process. Next?
23:30>> Jeff Neuman: Yes. >> Fadi Chehade: Mr. Neuman.
23:33>> Jeff Neuman: How are you? >> Fadi Chehade: Congratulations on the new
23:35job. >> Jeff Neuman: Thanks. I'm speaking on personal
23:38behalf here. I want to address predictability as well. I think we've already seen an effect
23:44of the transition discussions on predictability. I think there's such a tense political environment
23:49right now where I think too much is being done to cater to international governments
23:55in order to gain acceptance of a new model. There's too much fear [00:24:00] I see in
24:01ICANN staff and ICANN board in trying to appease the governments and deviating from things
24:06that we used to, since 1998 when the white paper came out. Yes, I was around back them.
24:11[Ira Magaziner 00:24:12] wasn't the only one around. The very thing that was core to all
24:18of us was never to deviate and create new international regulatory or legal regimes.
24:25I believe now we have completely deviated from that.
24:29We are listening to governments who are giving advice, or not even necessarily giving advice.
24:34Maybe a couple of governments say something, and ICANN staff and board are so afraid the
24:39perception of saying no to the government and only act in your jurisdiction and instead
24:46are taking things out on the contracted parties, on the industry ... Things like the two character
24:52issue of registries needing the predictability to operate our business to announce launches,
24:58to have a process to release these characters are now being stymied by a staff and a board
25:05who are acting because one or two governments may say something, not necessarily GAC advice,
25:13which when you look at the core of what they're saying is not in accordance with international
25:19law. For us, we think predictability has already
25:23been affected. The IANA issues are extremely important, I just wanted to move on a little
25:26bit, but this is how the current political environment is already affecting our predictability.
25:31We cannot, as an organization, since 1998 it was the number one tenant. When we developed
25:36the UDRP, and I was involved in doing that. It was clear, we cannot create extra legal
25:42rights where those legal rights do not exist. We are heading towards that because of the
25:47political environment of trying to cater to the governments in a world where we're going
25:52through this transition. >> Fadi Chehade: Okay. Do we agree that this
25:55point has nothing to do with the transition? If it doesn't then let's address it [00:26:00]
26:01but [crosstalk 00:26:03] two character thing would happen whether there was a transition
26:05or not, the GAC would have come up with it. >> Jeff Neuman: I do not believe that the
26:08political environment. I believe the board and the staff may have had enough more energy
26:13to say no to the GAC because of the political environment that's created by the transition.
26:18>> Fadi Chehade: Look, the political environment of the transition is simple. It's just very
26:23simple. Ira said it frankly very well yesterday. It was always intended, and you were there,
26:29for this contract to end. The fact that the US government planned it this way, had a vision
26:36for it this way, and you know, how many times did Ira show up at ICANN meetings since then?
26:40>> Jeff Neuman: None. >> Fadi Chehade: Never.
26:41>> Jeff Neuman: A few. >> Fadi Chehade: I had to convince him to
26:43come, and he came only because he felt, "Okay, finally, my work will be finished. I will
26:49come to tell people I am delighted this is happening, this needs to end." We're not doing
26:54this because we are being highly influenced by other governments. We're doing this because
27:00we made a very, very careful analysis that if we do not finish the work Ira started that
27:09we're giving those governments who would like to come and put far more pressure on us, we're
27:17giving them farther to do that. They're very, very, including the Germans, including the
27:23French, including governments ... I am not speaking about China, Russia, and the countries
27:28that everybody lists. I am speaking about friends who are saying this regime has to
27:34go because if it doesn't, it's harder for us to stand up for the system. We wanted this
27:41to go so people have less pressure on ICANN. Right now the political pressure comes from
27:47the fact, "You are a US agency." [foreign language 00:27:50] which is France's top newspaper,
27:51this is there Wall Street Journal, New York Times, whatever you call it, had a front page
27:56article linking ICANN to the NSA. [00:28:00] Front page article, full analysis including
28:03[inaudible 00:28:04], one of ours who comes to our meetings write an article linking us
28:07directly to the NSA. It's crazy. It's just nuts. The environment is nuts. This is all
28:16because every time I go meet them they say, "You are under contract from the US government,
28:22you are a US agency. Let's end this line and let's take control as a community. Let's make
28:28sure the board stays under the control of the community through better accountability
28:32measures. This will put us in a better environment. Today we are politically charged because of
28:39this contract. I hope, frankly, I flip this, Jeff. I think if we get rid of that contract
28:48we will be free of the pressures I'm feeling now all of the time. "You're an American agent,"
28:52I was told walking into a European office of minister. "You guys are American agents."
28:59We're not American agents, we are a community of people, this is how we make decisions.
29:03You go through all of that and it comes back down to the silly contract with Vernita Harris.
29:09It's nothing. You and I know that contract is nothing. That's not how the American government
29:15works with us. It's simply a button that Vernita pushes, but it's causing us a lot of the pressure
29:21we're feeling now. Let's get rid of it. Let's get rid of these pressures and let's
29:25look these people in the eye, frankly as we did with the Chinese. The Chinese, we got
29:32them down to the point where we said, "This is all it is and you can scream all you want
29:36or you can work with us on the single route." They did come to London and you know the rest
29:40of this. Finally the Chinese are not saying, "Who is ICANN?" At every international meeting.
29:47Every international meeting that's happening now, China is supporting the ICANN model of
29:52a single route. That's a big advance. Why did they do it? Because the transition is
29:58coming. If the transition [00:30:00] doesn't happen, a lot of these games we make to get
30:03people to keep the internet united. I went with Jack Ma [00:30:06] to see the
30:07premier of China. Jack told the premier, he said, "I did a promotion on the internet on
30:13November 11th, it was. $9 billion of sales Mr. Premier, because the internet has a single
30:22route and I was able to reach customers in over 100 countries on the same day. Keep it
30:28open." I think we need to keep these governments tied to our model. The best way to do that
30:36is to remove this card they keep playing on us that we are an American agent.
30:40>> Adrian: [inaudible 00:30:43] two more questions, I know you're pushed for time.
30:45>> Fadi Chehade: Please. >> Jeff Sass: Great. Now for something completely
30:49different, I appreciate your time this morning Fadi, and respectfully want to change the
30:54topic for a moment. At the DNA we have two objectives, universal acceptance and universal
31:00awareness. Both are very important to everyone in the room. It's great to see ICANN contribute
31:04some resources to the universal acceptance issue. Will ICANN also consider providing
31:10funds or resources to help us with universal awareness?
31:13>> Fadi Chehade: We debated this at the board the other day. This is dilemma for us. We
31:20don't want to be seen as promoting the industry, but we do have a mission to ensure consumers
31:30know how to actually benefit from this great industry. It's delicate. My position to my
31:37team is we need to do something. We cannot just keep saying the industry will do everything,
31:45we need to partner with you. Today I'd like to tell you ... Is Akram here? As soon as
31:51he saw I'm coming he ducked, but he should be here. I'm committed to figure out how we
31:59can do more [00:32:00] with you. We now have the machinery to help. We have, in Asia, when
32:05I started in Asia we had one guy in Beijing, now we have 26 people on the ground in Asia.
32:11We have people in India, we have people in all the ...
32:15We need to use that machine of ICANN to partner with you in ways that would help all of you,
32:22not one of you or some of you. This is an area where DNA and GDD should start having
32:30some substantive discussion. The time is now, by the way, because our budgets are being
32:35set as we speak for the year starting July 1st. If we're going to put some programs to
32:42start raising awareness through the stakeholders group at ICANN, now is the time. If you have
32:50concrete ideas, specific programs, and we've done some. [inaudible 00:32:54] has done some
32:55in the Middle East to promote the DNS industry. We're starting, but we need to do it in partnership
33:00 with you. I cannot do it alone. Back to the meeting space thing even. Let's make sure
33:06 DNA and ICANN are partnered. We have money to do it, we just need to find the proper
33:13way to do it with you leading and us supporting and using our channels in a way we are the
33:19rails and you put the trains on these rails. Again, with measure so [inaudible 00:33:25].
33:27We have called, but the question is to make sure ICANN does not, the fact you exist is
33:33a huge win for the industry. Adrian knows that. I was very worried of us doing anything
33:39without a DNA, a Domain Name Association in the front. We need to be in the back. With
33:46the existence of this membership, and please support DNA, and please provide it at least
33:51not just the financial support but the moral support and really work through them. I will
33:58work with you through them [00:34:00] as well to do what we can. I'd like to do more. I
34:02don't want to have this meeting a year from today and we're still talking about what are
34:05we doing. I want a list of programs and hopefully see ICANN and DNA partner. Last questions.
34:11>> Jay Daley: Thank you. Jay Daley from dot NZ [00:34:14]
34:14>> Fadi Chehade: Yes, Hi Jay. >> Jay Daley: Hi, Fadi I was very disappointed
34:17by your characterization of the CWG. We need a consensus that comes from an honest meeting
34:24of minds. Inflammatory rhetoric like that is not going to help it. I expect better,
34:29really. >> Fadi Chehade: Let me tell you why. This
34:33is not inflammatory. I am just very direct and I like to get things done. The reality
34:38is we do have an accountability gap. We do. I am cognizant of that, like you Jay. The
34:45problem is if we have swim lanes with activities that need to happen in these swim lanes, we
34:52should direct the activities in their swim lanes. If we do, we're going to get to the
34:55other end of the pool. The problem we had is that the accountability swim lane was not
35:02started, let's say at the same time and with the same focus initially.
35:07>> Jay Daley: I think you should remember what you said about the people on that group
35:11and their knowledge. There are people there that have been running registries for longer
35:15than many of us have been in the business there. There are plenty of people who know
35:19a great deal about it, a great deal about the customer service, about IANA, and how
35:22these things work. There were people there who were involved in setting up ICANN. To
35:27describe them as people who are clueless or whatever phrase you used, I think was unfortunate.
35:32We need to achieve consensus by honesty, by integrity, and by dialogue. You are not helping
35:39with those comments. >> Fadi Chehade: Okay. I apologize if you
35:41think that I offended the people. The reality is they have not produced a single line on
35:46SLA's. We don't have it. Outcomes. Let's focus on outcomes. You guys want outcomes, we don't
35:54want talk. If they want to ... If you tell me they're knowledgeable where is the outcome?
35:59There is nothing [00:36:00] in the CWG about the things you guys discussed. Where are the
36:04SLA's? I don't see them. Meanwhile the numbering community came up with SLA's, the protocol
36:11parameter guys came up with SLA's, and we're discussing still accountability of the ICANN
36:16board. We want legal advice that will cost ICANN hundreds of thousands of dollars to
36:21sit down and tell them why a membership organization might work or not. Meanwhile we have the whole
36:26accountability track. Your fear, Jay, and many others I presume,
36:31is ICANN is getting the accountability out of the CWG and then they will take the ICG
36:37proposal and run with it and not improve their accountability. Let me be clear, Larry Strickland
36:43said he is not accepting the ICG proposal unless it is paired with the accountability
36:49proposal. Number one. Number two, I asked my board as soon as possible to have a resolution
36:55that the ICANN board will not send the ICG proposal to the US government unless it is
37:00paired with the accountability proposal. We're committed to that. All I'm saying is let's
37:05focus our lanes so we can get our work done. That's all. I apologize. I didn't mean to
37:12offend anyone on this, including yourself, I simply meant the outcome is not there, the
37:18focus on the real issues that will give you predictability on IANA are still not there.
37:23Let's get them in there and finish our work so we can finish this transition.
37:27One last thing I want to tell you about the transition, the transition is killing you.
37:33In what way? All the oxygen is sucked by it. All the time we're focused here on transition
37:39could be focused on how we can solve the issues that we were solving last night. This was
37:44real business we were doing. Starting to talk to the GAC and these people early before [inaudible
37:4900:37:50] come out way. Therefore, let's get this transition done and let's fix our accountability,
37:55Jay, I'm with you. Let's go and do everything right to fix it. Let's [00:38:00] get on with
38:01business. We have a lot of work to do and we have a lot of issues to solve. A lot of
38:05my energy and the energy of my team can be focused so that we can get ahead of the issues,
38:11not wait until we have a [inaudible 00:38:14] or the civil society guys up in arms.
38:17Yesterday we noticed, just to tell you so that no one thinks there was a secret meeting,
38:21this was a meeting where casually we invited people for the GAC, ALAC, and so on because
38:25they're saying, "Stop all the category one TLD's, stop them. Freeze them." We said, "Why
38:34do we need to freeze them? What's the issue?" They said, "Well, it's going to harm consumers."
38:41"How will it harm consumers?" We started having a debate. It turns out that they're worried
38:46that if somebody got to Fadi.casino or Fadi.dentist, to use one of Stratton's TLDs, this person
38:56is not a dentist and he'll pluck your ear instead of your teeth. How do you make sure
39:02they're a dentist? I asked the European commission, "How do you make sure dentist.eu is a dentist?"
39:08They said, "We don't, they just get it." I said, "Okay, why do these guys have to do
39:15anything different?" They said, "Well the new gTLD program should be better or a model."
39:23I said, "Come on guys, do not apply rules that you're not using today to these new folks
39:30simply because it's easy. Because you can come and raise flags here at ICANN. Let's
39:36be fair. How do you do it at eu?" "If somebody reports that Fadi.dentist.eu is not a dentist
39:45we remove them." Stratton said, "We do the same thing, it's in our picks." If Fadi.dentist
39:52is not and somebody reports them. They said, "We can't call compliance." "Yeah you can
39:57call compliance, anybody can call compliance. [00:40:00] Call us and we will follow up with
40:01Stratton and with the registrar and remove it."
40:05This is the kind of work we should be doing. We should be spending more time with them
40:09ahead of time and nipping things in the bud so you guys have more predictability, not
40:14surprises. I hope we get this transition done and we focus on that so we can give you the
40:20space and the oxygen to grow your business. Thank you.
40:23>> Kurt: Thanks Fadi. >> Adrian: Thanks very much. I think it's
40:30fantastic. We've got a lot more time from Fadi than we planned, we appreciate that,
40:35we know you're busy. Thank you to your staff for giving your time. Thanks Fadi [inaudible
40:4200:40:42]. Guys I think some important things there. First of all a great soundbyte that
40:47Fadi says we need the DNA. Also, that he invented it. A little bit of Al Gore there. Just saying.
40:58Seriously, they have been great with giving us the support that we need to go forward,
41:06and great questions. Thank you.
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